A Candid Discussion About Olivia Rodrigo, 'Guts,' and Taylor Swift

Rodrigo has done it again with her second no. 1 album in as many tries. Is she carving out a new identity as something of a rock star, or is she destined to remain a pop artist, like her idol Taylor Swift? Speaking of—what’s the deal with those two? Two Ringer writers try to piece it all together.

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